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It is my belief that people's memories may have become blurred or mixed during the intervening years and that the location of such sightings may have been confused with sightings at Derby Midland station.
Of interest in the background is the Derby Locomotive Works, with the clock tower partly hidden by the signal gantry.
The main photograph shows ex LNER A4 60013 Dominion of New Zealand running "light engine" over Five Arches bridge in March 1963.
The photo underneath, first left, shows ex LNER A3 60106 Flying Fox, again at Five Arches (looking south) in the mid 1960s, sporting German style smoke deflectors and awaiting signals to possibly conduct a similar manoeuvre to the A4.
The middle of the three pictures shows ex LNER A4 60021 Wild Swan alongside Derby four shed on October 9, 1963, after working the 12.15pm Newcastle to Bristol Temple Meads.
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Visits of such ex LNER engines occurred on the old Midland/LMS route as far as Derby, including that of A4 60021 Wild Swan.
It would have necessitated an engine change at Derby.
Of interest, on the adjacent track, to the front of Wild Swan is 90683, an ex WD 2 8 0 austerity engine and a glimpse of the white jib end of the Derby breakdown crane.
The picture was taken from London Road bridge.
HAVING seen last month's Bygones article regarding the possible visit of ex LNER locomotive A4 Wild Swan 60021 to Derby Friargate station in 1962, I would like to add my own thoughts with regard to these type of large, heavy engines visiting the Friargate area.
This engine had just hauled a special rail tour from Manchester, via Crewe, namely the William Deacon Bank Club, and is on shed for re filling of coal and water (and turning) for its return trip while the passengers from the tour train visited the Locomotive Works.
It is running backwards on the London line to gain access to points in order to reverse through the back of the station up to Five Arches bridge to turn at Derby north junction after possibly being "coaled and watered" at four shed.
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I cannot personally recall or find any reference to any such workings and there is, to date, no photographic evidence.
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Brian's photos showcase era of steam prior to diesel days
Although these are amateur shots and are not as pin sharp as they would be today, they adequately record the events of those far off days.
Above the loco can be seen the Locomotive Works clock tower and the "slope" of Hulland Street bridge passing by the giant water tower that provided a supply for the steam engines.
This train would have started its journey at Bradford Forster Square/Exchange and passed through Derby en route to Bristol Temple Meads with Paignton being its ultimate destination, depending on the summer timetable.
station, with a host of steam trains and with Hulland Street bridge crossing through the centre of the picture.
It should be noted that the engine is carrying a train headboard, which, unfortunately, wasn't recorded at the time but could possibly be The Devonian.
to this notion, I include photographs of such events from my personal archive collection of photographs taken at Derby Midland station in the 1960s.
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The debate about whether ex LNER heavy engines were deployed on the Friargate line seems set to run for some time.
The attached pictures will, hopefully, bring back many memories of the area around the Midland Station, especially the views from London Road bridge, which was always a popular location for trainspotters.
In the background can be seen Derby north junction leading to Chaddesden Sidings where, presumably, the engine is reversing to enter the triangular junction in order to turn for continuation of its journey back up north.
Perhaps others, like myself, will recall walking across Hulland Street bridge every day to work at the Locomotive Works, with the panorama of everyday train workings around you.
It was taken from alongside the old Derby Canal on Siddals Road.
The triple arched roof of the Loco Works New Work Stores is also prominent.
However, I believe, along with others, that it was unlikely (but perhaps not impossible) that large, heavy engines like the ex LNER A4s used this route due to reasons already stated in previous articles, chiefly their weight.
The final picture is a rare colour shot of ex LNER A4 60019 Bittern standing on four shed/Derby Motive Power depot on March 6, 1966, again taken from London Road bridge.
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